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PostSubject: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 12:20 am

Do we even have a thread that describes this? If so, we need to make it a sticky. If not, let's make one.

I'm gonna need the proc order for each formation (including 10 man raid formation). Simply list it like the following:

Standard 5
4 2 1 3 5

Standard 5 (raid)
9 5 1 3 7
8 6 2 4 10

I know the orders on both of these probably aren't correct, but you at least get the right idea for how to outline it based on who procs first, starting at 1 and ending at either 5 or 10.

Once we get the order down, I'll try and pretty it up by getting some screen shots of a ^, V, W, M and superimposing numbers over the dots where the squadmates would go.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 12:23 am

it starts in furthest row back working towards front from left to right for all of them in non raid battles iirc

 i think for raid it starts in back working towards front from right to left in the front line then left to right in the 2nd line but im not positive


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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 12:29 am

So Standard 5 would be:
1 3 5 4 2

Standard 5 Raid would be:
1 5 9 7 3
2 6 10 8 4

Assuming for raid that Squad A (top row) takes a turn then Squad B (bottom row) takes a turn, correct?
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 12:38 am

yes for the first.

for raid it would be

2-4-5-3-1
6-8-10-9-7
i think...
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 12:45 am

Oh, missed that in your post. Thought it was left to right for raid as well. I think you're correct, if memory serves, but doesn't Squad A go and then B and then they alternate back in forth or am I making that up? Running that Defensive formation during raid with Tigrey in the middle, I do recall that the merc to the right of him went next, then the left, but I don't remember if Squad A and B alternated respectively or not. I think you're right and there was no alternating back and forth.

So, Defensive 5 Raid:
5 3 1 2 4
10 8 6 7 9
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 1:00 am

not that ive noticed, and i think squad b in a raid team would proc as a squad would regularly, its only squad a that procs are mirrored
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 1:19 am

This whole thread might as well be in Chinese. Have not even the slightest clue what you nerds are talking about rofl .... Joking but please break it down a little for us slower folk. I was good in math but this is like Sheldon Cooper numbers going on here.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 10:23 am

Actually Aces it's as easy as investing in the stock market...

The process folks are trying to work out which asset performs best in which position for a specific configuration and event.

Variables include:
- Type of event (PVP, Raid, Tower/Gate)
- Type of proc (before or during [enhance opportunity / reduce threat], and multiples [attacks / percentages])
- Type of asset (Eve, Golem, Tigrey)
- Triggering sequence of position (LL-LM-MM-MR-RR) with the lower numbers occurring before the higher ones

For example:
I have an eve v4 that I plan to use in the next event. Given her talents, where do I put her and who could augment her talents best, and who could protect her pretty flank from destruction. Would a Tigrey next to her be the best configuration, or does that asset just need to be on the squad when the attack occurs? Also, if I have a Oathbreaker or a Valryke, do I put the girls together to pull each other in when they "proc", or would it be better to have a very powerful, base-attack attributed asset in that slot.

Depending on the event, your available assets, their talents, and when / if their talents "proc" (whether in combination or individually), you could be singing "Happy days are here again", or "Another one bites the dust".

Is the objective crystal clear or clear as mud?
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 10:26 am

Doesnt it depend at least somewhat on agi?
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 10:46 am

Absolutely.

The question is where do you place your highest AGI asset?

LL-LM-MM-MR-RR

Or do you place that asset in the next best slot because of a combination with an adjacent asset?

A Tigrey or an Oathbreaker just needs to be "on the field of battle", whereas a Valryke only pulls from each side of her, and a Viking only pulls from one side. So if you choose to have a Viking in the fray, only place him at the LL or RR positions, unless you have another strategy you are working.

For example in the last event I was about to X my Uber Astro until he showed me something when I dropped him between two other assets. Then, he started wailing on everything before him. Go figure. Needless to say I have re-evaluated his potential when in the LM, MM, or RM positions.

Helpful, or still too hazy?

PS. I didn't add the complexity of crystals, evolutions (1,2,3,4), experience levels (1-N), or proc levels (1-20) because that is touched upon elsewhere. I think
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 14th 2013, 12:07 pm

What they are talking about is pre fight skill, attack or buffer. It is not ago dependent, it is entirely based on formation.

You can drop your tigrey between two mercs you want to wisdom buff, but if you wish to chain buff, you need to make sure tigrey is in the #1 position.

I utilized a lot of chain buffs to take MVPs on several super raid bosses the last event with tigreys, blue wasps, and keymasters.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 3:34 am

Yeah, In last tower used V-formation, from left to right Helio L2 - Ulfr/Blue - Canis/Yellow - Mordeo - Titanfist.

As we know, procs going from back row to front row, each row from left to right, so at first Yellow de-buffed for DEF, then mordeo buffed Titanfist for attack, then Helio debuffed ATK&DEF and only then Titanfist with ATK Buff used pre-battle attack on de-buffed tower mobs. And next round - enemy mob buffs. But 50% of time - there were only 3 or 4 mobs...
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 9:36 am

last raid i went all atk in W formation. 1 \ 2 / 3 \ 4 / 5 The primarch in front line position 4 buffs first, then position 2, then backline positon 2, then backline position 4....
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 4:08 pm

I thought I figured a solution to all formations, and then yodaho fcked me in the head. Still, here it is, plain and simple, I will draw it lol. This is 110% for V and /\ formation.

There are 3 positions, front, mid, rear. The code favors left to right priority. Here is your every day V squad, /\ squad, and buff order, how the code sees it:

x o o o x
o x o x o
o o x o o


o o x o o
o x o x o
x o o o x



A B C D E
6 7 8 9 0
1 2 3 4 5

0 = 10
A = 11
B = 12

and so on. Questions? Btw I am doing this from my phone, editing will be hard if needed lol. If som1 can verify this for W and mixed, pls do.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 4:13 pm

I have no idea what to make of your DaVinci Code numbers and letters, Lakson, sorry. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 4:23 pm

Erh mah gerd (=omg). Einstein is testing me, as he said "if you cannot explain it simpler, you dont undestand it well enough." lets start. The /\ formation your fistas like. In code, 5 man formation takes 5 slots horisontal (duh xD) and if all mercs were in a same row, it would look like this

x x x x x

But FF has 3 options for position:

Rear: less dmg taken, less made
Mid : normal dmg, normal dmg taken
Front : double the pleasure, double the pain.

/\ formation is like this:

Rear-mid-front-mid-rear.

Da vinci code:

o o x o o
o x o x o
x o o o x

Focus on the x. It looks like a /\ does it not? Explained?
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 5:01 pm

The buff part: number 1 buffs 1st, 15 last.

11 12 13 14 15
6. 7. 8. 9. 10
1. 2. 3. 4. 5

Dont mind the dots, phone putting them there.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 5:43 pm

Tested my formula with W formation and it works. Looks like I made the ultimate formula B-)
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:07 pm

Does ANYONE understand what I did here? :-P
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:14 pm

Okay Lak let me ask you this. Remember when you told me to swap my blue bot and eve positions. Okay well i did that right away and I took some notes.

After 50 of those silly little walking battles i noticed my eve proc changed in a big way. Only 3 out of 50 fights did she proc on her first shot. Those three times were ONLY when my three buffers did not proc. if ANY of my buffers proc the eve only does on her second turn, if the fight gets that far. I'm using knucklebreaker in my first spot to level her up in case that changes anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:17 pm

I gotcha, but a real nerd would have started with a in the 10s spot. Razz 

I would like to know if b squad is mirrored in a 10 man formation, I could have sworn it was left to right as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:23 pm

My eve almost always procs in 1st position no matter what....but she never nukes all like siren (massive v normal dmg...)
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:30 pm

Ace what I told you was before I found this out, it did not affect buffing, but your notes are interesting. You are saying it NEVER procs when all buff?

As for raid, I am sure it favors left to right. I must do tests during raid to find the right order.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:32 pm

Ed I wanted to do that, and use 0 before 1, but I favor simplicity xD
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:35 pm

My eve, when she procs takes down everything. She just procs wayyyy less now. Im running in a W formation....

TurrettEngineer•primarch•bluebot•tigrey•eve4.0

I was running eve where bluebot is but Lak pointed out the benefit of having blue proc'd in the middle. I figured it was to give the bluebot the prim proc but maybe not.

The two differences I noticed was 1. The blue benefits from the primarch because of the atk it gets and 2. Eve is upset now and only procs on second turn or on first only when she isn't buffed.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:42 pm

I am rly unsure about this, it could be the tower bug where the proc rate is not reseting. Try leveling knuck, it should reset it.
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 7:45 pm

My eve wis was unbuffed when i was using her....
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PostSubject: Re: Proc Order for Different Formations   July 15th 2013, 8:28 pm

Yeah it has to have something to do with leveling the toon. The second i put auto turrett back in she went right back to her animal self.

Hmmm maybe the chicks dont play well together? lol
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