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PostSubject: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 8:06 pm

my squad. w formation
ope lilith-ope big rig-pe black bot-big rig-E3 black bot
?-blue bot-E3 black bot-blue bot-alvin

my question is should i run an 8x1x50agi vulture or pe key master in the spot? i figure key would do more damage but vulture would survive longer when i do single mags.

also if there is anyone that has a blue bot i could borrow to replace a big rig it would be much appreciated lol js
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 8:36 pm

You should run a Tigrey. Even if it is Just a pact E4 which you can pick up for 2AC.
 
Back row should be
 
Blue bot - Tigrey - Blue Bot - E3 black bot - Alvin
 
Also, you will probably find that a nice Keymaster will do more dmg than your E3 black bots.

Check on the Wiki:
http://fatalfrontier.wikia.com/wiki/Keymaster_v2
http://fatalfrontier.wikia.com/wiki/E3_Incomplete_CXB-2000A
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 8:49 pm

just a pe one didnt last event the e3's would run 200+k x6 and the keys would run 330k x3
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 8:56 pm

but the black bots were buffed by big rigs also as all 3 were on the front row. i'll change em out and see what they do
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:06 pm

The wiki says that a PE E3 black bot should have 8426 AGI and does 6*150% = 900% while a PE Keymaster V2 should have 8859 AGI and does 3*300% = 900%.

Definitely get yourself a Tigrey though.....
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:17 pm

Right but i dont think the wiki is exact cause my pe 10930 blk bot double blue buffed did 31k in pvp while my 14498agi lilith did 23k+ damage. And i found a lv 92 one already wis crystals for 3ac (score)
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:25 pm

It's pretty easy to test. Also, what AGI does your E3 actually have?

Just make a squad of just your E3 black bot and test to see what dmg it does on the earliest area (so def doesn't matter much). Take an average of how much it does on the middle position hits (so no bonus or penalty from being forward or back). Do the same with a Key and whichever damage you calculate to be higher across its full number of hits just use that.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:31 pm

Thats what i was planning. I was gonna run it in the back row so no extra from big rig and their agi are 8582,8926.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:44 pm

Imma run w with e3 blk, pe big, pe blk, ope big, ope lilith, second row blue, tig, blu, alvin, then interchange weaker e3 and key and see how does more damage with same blue, tig, proc
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:47 pm

Lilith is only 800%. You are better off with something that does 900% buffed by the rig.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 9:53 pm

I dont understand you mean how shes heavy 200% vs key very heavy 300%?
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 10:00 pm

Lilith's attack is 200% *4 = 800% total
Key's attack is 300% * 3 = 900% total

So if you buff a Lilith for 1000 agi and she procs, her attack will go up by 8000 dmg (compared to her unbuffed proc damage). If you buff a Key for 1000agi and he procs, his attack will go up by 9000 dmg (compared to his unbuffed proc damage). This means that if you have a choice on whether to buff a Lilith or a Key, you are better off buffing your Key.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 10:07 pm

i see what your saying but i only have 1 pe key. i'll see if anybody has a couple
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 10:18 pm

Hey trob i have a bunch of v1's buddy but none level'd

Doesn't give you much time till raid but i have them
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 10:20 pm

i need 4 v1's if they do work best. is it worth crystallizing them?
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 10:35 pm

Yes as you will get agi of 9409

With blues and a tigrey you can turn keys into mini fistas
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 23rd 2013, 10:51 pm

@trob: Just sent you a followup PM about XiaoTigreys. Plus I'll also send you another one in a minute about Keymasters. I can get you setup in time for this Raid event Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 24th 2013, 4:14 am

Noob question concerning raid squad... does Duke - tigrey combo make sense or tigrey bonus comes after 5x event bonus and thus is negligible?
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 24th 2013, 5:08 am

The buffs occur after the bonus.

However, if you have an 11k wis Tigrey, that is an extra 33k dmg when Duke procs on a single shot - if you had a burnfrost though.......
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PostSubject: Re: Quick question about raid team   September 24th 2013, 12:11 pm

I've been leveling myself some Keymasters as well, which I all picked up for 2 Crystals each on the X, day after the Tower event. You really should put some crystals on those Keymasters, if you OPE them they still sell for 3 AC / 4 AC easily. Assuming your CXB-2000A is PE so far; this is what you get:

- Keymaster v2 ( 100 Crystals ) = 9.409 AGI * 3 * 300% = 84.681 Damage
- Lilith, Serpentine Shapeshifter ( 200 Crystals ) = 14.548 * 4 * 200% = 116.384 Damage
- E3 Incomplete CXB-2000A ( No crystals ) = 8.426 AGI * 6 * 150% = 75.834 Damage

If you don't know why I used 150% Modifier on the CXB-2000A, the E3 form only has 150%, E4 has 200%.
As you can see, Keymaster v2 with 100 Crystals (, or just 20 Crystals in total on AGI, ) on it does some serious damage, and are MUCH cheaper than mercs such as Lilith & CXB-2000A.

If this helped you out, glad to help. Very Happy

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**Update: think I missed with the crystal point-add, but still gives you an idea how much damage they ~ do, it's prety close to that number.**
**Update: fixed the points on the crystal-add.
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